Yj Draiman ·
Israel does not have to defend its' legitimacy! R5
Israel's rights to the land is ingrained in history, archaeological findings, international law and possession. Just like the Arab States have not been required to defend their legitimacy, Israel should also not be required to defend its' legitimacy.
The 21 Arab States and the State of Israel were set up by the Allied Powers after WWI, when the Ottoman Empire relinquished its title to the territories to the Allied Powers. The British were assigned as trustee for the Jewish people to help reconstitute the Jewish State as Implemented by the San Remo Treaty of 1920 which incorporated the 1917 Balfour Declaration. The 1920 San Remo Treaty incorporated and adopted the Balfour Declaration of 1917, it was also approved by the 1920 treaty of Sevres and Lausanne and the 1919 Faisal Weitzman Agreement. Of importance is the fact that the treaty terms and documents prove that there was no state allocation of land to any other people or nation other than the Jewish people in Israel. It should also be noted the League of Nations set up the Mandate for Palestine as per international law and treaties as a State for the Jewish people with exclusive political rights.
The Jewish people who are the remaining indigenous people who lived in Israel for over 4,000 had additional Jewish immigration in the mid 1800. The local Jewish people with the infusion of more Jewish immigration, resources, funding and with the explicit permission by the Ottoman government, started developing the land. Within a short time the Jewish people started turning the desert and desolation into green pastures, thus, building an economy, agriculture, housing and industry. Many Arabs from neighboring depressed Arab lands, who viewed this development as an opportunity for work and an improved standard of living, came to work in Palestine. When the Arab countries terrorized and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all the assets including over 120,000 sq. km. of land. Most of those expelled Jewish family were resettled in Israel and today comprise over half of Israel’s population.
Over the past 68 years Israel has become a thriving nation with exemplary innovation in education, technology, high tech industry and medicine. Many nations admire Israel's outstanding development and innovation. Israel has always been extending a helping hand to any nation that wants to learn and advance in industry, technology and medicine.
The Arab-Palestinians saw an opportunity to get land and a country that was developed and flourished by the Jewish people. They decided that through intimidation, deception harassment and violence to usurp the Jewish habitants into capitulating to their scheme of an Arab-Palestinian State on Land allocated exclusively to the Jewish people after the Arabs were allocated over 5 million sq. miles. The Arab-Palestinians live on charity from the nations of the world. They are unwilling to help themselves. After the 1967 war when Israel defeated the 5 Arab armies who tried to destroy it, Israel started employing many of the Arabs in the liberated Jewish territory, educating them in agriculture and water resources. In the following years the standard of living of the Arabs jumped 5 fold and more, and their economy and housing blossomed. When the terrorist organization entered the picture and instigated the Arab population to start terror and violence against the Israelis, the economic advancement was slowed down if not halted. The dire predicament of the Arab-Palestinians is of their own making.
If you look at Arab land it is desolate and barren, with few exceptions. At the same time, the Jewish land is blooming and developing at an accelerated tempo. The Arabs, rather than follow the example set by Israel, the Arabs tried to take the Jewish land by force and lost 4 wars in a span of 25 years.
The Arab-Palestinians current actions in the political and legal arena is a result of losing 4 wars and various battles with Israel. They not only could not win ground, but in fact have caused themselves a downward spiral toward economic desolation.
The Arab-Palestinians have switched tactics and have now gained more ground and concessions by playing the peace game. The Arab-Palestinians deception, obfuscation and disinformation campaign along with various pleadings in front of the U.N. and other International bodies has gained the Arab-Palestinians more inroads than wars. The power of oil and the Arab Countries, who do not want the Arab-Palestinians to return to their countries, are helping them promote the false and deceptive information, and utilizing their numerical control in the U.N. to pass any resolution that they deem necessary to advance their cause, the UN resolutions are only a recommendation.
Money, power and greed promoted hate and anti-Semitism by the Arabs in order to force Israel into surrendering territory to the Arab-Palestinians. The Arabs are trying to initiate land piracy camouflaged as legal rights to the land of Israel.
Jewish resistance to the unjust persecution by the Arabs and the world at large: Any level headed individual would think that after WWII and the 6 million Jews exterminated in the Holocaust (plus another 5 million of other ethnic groups) would diminish, if not eliminate anti-Semitism and baseless hatred. It seems that no matter the amount of unwarranted persecution, and no matter the sacrifices the Jewish people have endured through the ages, Anti-Semitism continues to raise its ugly head.
The Media is guilty of escalating hostilities and violence in Israel and elsewhere. The Media has a responsibility to deliver fair and unbiased reporting. They influence the information that people rely on. It is an awesome responsibility and it must be handled with factual un-slanted reporting. The Peoples lives depend on it; maybe yours or someone you love.
I would like your comments and inputs
The affects on the world at large: Has humanity lost its values and fairness? The answer is no. In order to lose something, one must first possess it and the truth is, the world has never had total control of values and fairness.
In today's world, where money and power is pursued at all costs (see Machiavelli) , the core family unit is disintegrating and family values is deteriorating. Honesty, integrity and fair-play seem to be a thing of the past. Where are we as human beings of the 21st century heading? Obviously, downward.
Take some time to reflect on the truth of what is stated here. Do you really want this kind of world for your children? Senseless hate and destruction must not be tolerated. I urge you to wake up, take the bull by the horn and pursue a path of correction, or we are doomed as a civilized people.
YJ Draiman
Israel's rights to the land is ingrained in history, archaeological findings, international law and possession. Just like the Arab States have not been required to defend their legitimacy, Israel should also not be required to defend its' legitimacy.
The 21 Arab States and the State of Israel were set up by the Allied Powers after WWI, when the Ottoman Empire relinquished its title to the territories to the Allied Powers. The British were assigned as trustee for the Jewish people to help reconstitute the Jewish State as Implemented by the San Remo Treaty of 1920 which incorporated the 1917 Balfour Declaration. The 1920 San Remo Treaty incorporated and adopted the Balfour Declaration of 1917, it was also approved by the 1920 treaty of Sevres and Lausanne and the 1919 Faisal Weitzman Agreement. Of importance is the fact that the treaty terms and documents prove that there was no state allocation of land to any other people or nation other than the Jewish people in Israel. It should also be noted the League of Nations set up the Mandate for Palestine as per international law and treaties as a State for the Jewish people with exclusive political rights.
The Jewish people who are the remaining indigenous people who lived in Israel for over 4,000 had additional Jewish immigration in the mid 1800. The local Jewish people with the infusion of more Jewish immigration, resources, funding and with the explicit permission by the Ottoman government, started developing the land. Within a short time the Jewish people started turning the desert and desolation into green pastures, thus, building an economy, agriculture, housing and industry. Many Arabs from neighboring depressed Arab lands, who viewed this development as an opportunity for work and an improved standard of living, came to work in Palestine. When the Arab countries terrorized and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all the assets including over 120,000 sq. km. of land. Most of those expelled Jewish family were resettled in Israel and today comprise over half of Israel’s population.
Over the past 68 years Israel has become a thriving nation with exemplary innovation in education, technology, high tech industry and medicine. Many nations admire Israel's outstanding development and innovation. Israel has always been extending a helping hand to any nation that wants to learn and advance in industry, technology and medicine.
The Arab-Palestinians saw an opportunity to get land and a country that was developed and flourished by the Jewish people. They decided that through intimidation, deception harassment and violence to usurp the Jewish habitants into capitulating to their scheme of an Arab-Palestinian State on Land allocated exclusively to the Jewish people after the Arabs were allocated over 5 million sq. miles. The Arab-Palestinians live on charity from the nations of the world. They are unwilling to help themselves. After the 1967 war when Israel defeated the 5 Arab armies who tried to destroy it, Israel started employing many of the Arabs in the liberated Jewish territory, educating them in agriculture and water resources. In the following years the standard of living of the Arabs jumped 5 fold and more, and their economy and housing blossomed. When the terrorist organization entered the picture and instigated the Arab population to start terror and violence against the Israelis, the economic advancement was slowed down if not halted. The dire predicament of the Arab-Palestinians is of their own making.
If you look at Arab land it is desolate and barren, with few exceptions. At the same time, the Jewish land is blooming and developing at an accelerated tempo. The Arabs, rather than follow the example set by Israel, the Arabs tried to take the Jewish land by force and lost 4 wars in a span of 25 years.
The Arab-Palestinians current actions in the political and legal arena is a result of losing 4 wars and various battles with Israel. They not only could not win ground, but in fact have caused themselves a downward spiral toward economic desolation.
The Arab-Palestinians have switched tactics and have now gained more ground and concessions by playing the peace game. The Arab-Palestinians deception, obfuscation and disinformation campaign along with various pleadings in front of the U.N. and other International bodies has gained the Arab-Palestinians more inroads than wars. The power of oil and the Arab Countries, who do not want the Arab-Palestinians to return to their countries, are helping them promote the false and deceptive information, and utilizing their numerical control in the U.N. to pass any resolution that they deem necessary to advance their cause, the UN resolutions are only a recommendation.
Money, power and greed promoted hate and anti-Semitism by the Arabs in order to force Israel into surrendering territory to the Arab-Palestinians. The Arabs are trying to initiate land piracy camouflaged as legal rights to the land of Israel.
Jewish resistance to the unjust persecution by the Arabs and the world at large: Any level headed individual would think that after WWII and the 6 million Jews exterminated in the Holocaust (plus another 5 million of other ethnic groups) would diminish, if not eliminate anti-Semitism and baseless hatred. It seems that no matter the amount of unwarranted persecution, and no matter the sacrifices the Jewish people have endured through the ages, Anti-Semitism continues to raise its ugly head.
The Media is guilty of escalating hostilities and violence in Israel and elsewhere. The Media has a responsibility to deliver fair and unbiased reporting. They influence the information that people rely on. It is an awesome responsibility and it must be handled with factual un-slanted reporting. The Peoples lives depend on it; maybe yours or someone you love.
I would like your comments and inputs
The affects on the world at large: Has humanity lost its values and fairness? The answer is no. In order to lose something, one must first possess it and the truth is, the world has never had total control of values and fairness.
In today's world, where money and power is pursued at all costs (see Machiavelli) , the core family unit is disintegrating and family values is deteriorating. Honesty, integrity and fair-play seem to be a thing of the past. Where are we as human beings of the 21st century heading? Obviously, downward.
Take some time to reflect on the truth of what is stated here. Do you really want this kind of world for your children? Senseless hate and destruction must not be tolerated. I urge you to wake up, take the bull by the horn and pursue a path of correction, or we are doomed as a civilized people.
YJ Draiman
Walk Tall Hang Loose
Several commenters here are saying that there never was a country called Palestine, or words to that effect. Dan Waiss says he cannot find it on a historic map. Here it is, on a map produced in 1480 entitled Palestina Moderna:http://rosetta.nli.org.il/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet.... Hint: North is on the left.
And Dan, please tell us if you found Israel on that historic map.
And Dan, please tell us if you found Israel on that historic map.
Samuel Highland ·
It really matters who made the map. The Ottoman Empre controlled the land so it only matters if they made it.
Walk Tall Hang Loose
Samuel Highland: the National Library seems to suggest that is based on one by Ptolemy, in the second century CE, long before the Ottoman Empire. I am not suggesting that Palestine was a "country" then, if by that you mean a self-governing entity. In the ancient world there were very few "countries", everyone was part of somebody elses empire. The name Palestine has been applied to the area shown in that map (Mandatory Palestine plus a strip of land to the East of the Jordan, plus territory in what is now Lebanon, up to Dan) since Roman times. (It corresponds closely to the area claimed by the Zionists at the Paris peace conferences in 1919.) Under the Ottomans it was not an adminstrative area, but divided between the satraps of Jerusalem and Acre. Since the Crusades the Palestinians have been recognized as a 'people' with a special role in Islam as guardians of the Holy Places, (and a very distinctive Arabic accent) - see the book "Remembering and imagining Palestine" by Haim Gerber, professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
Palestine became a "country" in the modern sense, with defined borders, a government, and a currency, in 1922 under the Mandate. In 1948 the State of Israel was declared on 55% of Palestine: because the Mandate had ended the rest of Palestine had no government, and was therefore a non-self-governing territory under the protection of the UN as specified in Chapter XI of the UN Charter. In 1988 the PLO declared the State of Palestine "in our Palestinian territory" without specifying precise borders, paralleling Israel's Declaration.
Palestine became a "country" in the modern sense, with defined borders, a government, and a currency, in 1922 under the Mandate. In 1948 the State of Israel was declared on 55% of Palestine: because the Mandate had ended the rest of Palestine had no government, and was therefore a non-self-governing territory under the protection of the UN as specified in Chapter XI of the UN Charter. In 1988 the PLO declared the State of Palestine "in our Palestinian territory" without specifying precise borders, paralleling Israel's Declaration.
YJ Israel Draiman ·
The height of Jewish prominence was again achieved in the tenth century. In Tiberius, by the shores of Lake Kinneret, the Sea of Galilee, a symbol system for Hebrew vowels was created which eventually gained universal acceptance. But with the advent of the Crusades in Israel during the 12th century, and the massacres of thousands of Jews in Jerusalem and throughout the land, the Jewish population reached its lowest point. But Jewish populations again revived, strengthened by new Jewish immigrants arriving constantly from the Diaspora. Many such returnees settled in Safed, Tiberius, Hebron and Jerusalem.
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
A brief list of Jews returning to the historical ancestral land reveals a constant arrival of people joining existing Jewish villages and communities, themselves always at the mercy of alien occupiers.
According to the Center for Online Judaic Studies, here are just a few of the names of early Jewish returnees consisting of some Rabbinical leaders:
1075:1141 Yehuda Halevi, poet.
1135: 1204 Maimonides, philosopher.
1210: Settlement in Israel of three hundred French and English rabbis.
1267: Nachmanides arrives in Israel.
1313: Estory Haparchi arrives: The first geographer of Israel.
1538: Renewal of rabbinic ordination in Safed.
1561: Joseph Nasi leases Tiberius from Turkish sultan.
1700: Yehuda HeChasid and his followers arrive in Jerusalem.
1777: Large Hassidic group settles in Galilee.
1797: Rabbi Nachman of Bratzlav’s trip to Israel.
1808: Disciples of Elijah, Gaon of Vilna, settle in Jerusalem.
This very partial list of Jewish immigrants, who arrived well before the 20th century, is an inconvenient truth to the Arab and pro-Arab propagandists who would have you believe their delusions and myth that the Jews only arrived much, much later.
The national coins, the pottery, the cities and villages, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support the empirical fact that Jews always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,100 years and the fact that Jewish villages and towns were to be found in all parts of the ancient Jewish homeland and throughout all the preceding years, up until the present time, certainly dwarfs and debunks any claims that other people in the region may have; especially the Arabs who came from neighboring Arab countries and today call themselves Arab-Palestinians.
TIMELINE IN ISRAEL aka Palestine 1200 BC to 2015
PHILISTINES, JEBUSITES & ISRAELITES
1200 - 1020 BC
ISRAEL / JUDAH
1020 - 745 BC
ASSYRIANS
745 - 597 BC
EGYPTIANS III
609 - 605 BC
BABYLONIANS
604 - 538 BC
PERSIANS
538 - 332 BC
GREEKS
332 - 140 BC
HASMONAEANS - ISRAELITES
140 - 63 B.C.
ROMANS
63 BC - 300
BYZANTINES - Christian
313 - 611
PERSIANS II
611 - 628
BYZANTINES II
628 - 636
CALIPHATES
636 - 661 (1099)
UMAYYADS
661 - 749
ABBASIDS
749 - 877
TULUNIDS
877 - 906
ABBASIDS II
906 - 935
IKHSHIDIDS
935 - 969
FATIMIDS
970 - 1079
SELJUKS
1079 - 1098
CRUSADERS - Christians they killed many Jews and Muslims
1098 - 1187
AYYUBIDS
1187 - 1260
MAMLUKS
1260 - 1517
OTTOMANS
1517 - 1917
BRITISH MANDATE
1920 - 1948
ISRAEL, JORDAN & EGYPT
1948 - 1967
ISRAEL
1967 - 1982 All of Territory west of the Jordan River and Sinai to the Suez Canal
OSLO ACCORDS I & II
1993 - 2000
DISENGAGEMENT, HAMAS OCCUPATION OF GAZA
2005 - PRESENT
How many holidays do the Arabs-Muslims celebrate due to historical events in the land of ancient Israel and Jerusalem.
The Jewish people celebrate most of their holidays and fast days in memory of Jerusalem and Israel since 70 AD (that is over 2,000 years).
Pleading the Jewish goal and aspiration to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - where it was before it was destroyed and desecrated by the enemies of the Jews. Many of the Jewish prayers for thousands of years recite the love of Israel and the Jewish aspirations to return to their ancestral land and bring back its glory and holiness.
At Jewish weddings they break a glass in memory of Jerusalem and the aspiration to return and build the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.
Every day at the end of the meal the Jews recite a blessing and thank G-d for providing sustenance and beseech G-d to return and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
Most Jewish prayers mention our pleading to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple.
YJ Draiman
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
A brief list of Jews returning to the historical ancestral land reveals a constant arrival of people joining existing Jewish villages and communities, themselves always at the mercy of alien occupiers.
According to the Center for Online Judaic Studies, here are just a few of the names of early Jewish returnees consisting of some Rabbinical leaders:
1075:1141 Yehuda Halevi, poet.
1135: 1204 Maimonides, philosopher.
1210: Settlement in Israel of three hundred French and English rabbis.
1267: Nachmanides arrives in Israel.
1313: Estory Haparchi arrives: The first geographer of Israel.
1538: Renewal of rabbinic ordination in Safed.
1561: Joseph Nasi leases Tiberius from Turkish sultan.
1700: Yehuda HeChasid and his followers arrive in Jerusalem.
1777: Large Hassidic group settles in Galilee.
1797: Rabbi Nachman of Bratzlav’s trip to Israel.
1808: Disciples of Elijah, Gaon of Vilna, settle in Jerusalem.
This very partial list of Jewish immigrants, who arrived well before the 20th century, is an inconvenient truth to the Arab and pro-Arab propagandists who would have you believe their delusions and myth that the Jews only arrived much, much later.
The national coins, the pottery, the cities and villages, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support the empirical fact that Jews always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,100 years and the fact that Jewish villages and towns were to be found in all parts of the ancient Jewish homeland and throughout all the preceding years, up until the present time, certainly dwarfs and debunks any claims that other people in the region may have; especially the Arabs who came from neighboring Arab countries and today call themselves Arab-Palestinians.
TIMELINE IN ISRAEL aka Palestine 1200 BC to 2015
PHILISTINES, JEBUSITES & ISRAELITES
1200 - 1020 BC
ISRAEL / JUDAH
1020 - 745 BC
ASSYRIANS
745 - 597 BC
EGYPTIANS III
609 - 605 BC
BABYLONIANS
604 - 538 BC
PERSIANS
538 - 332 BC
GREEKS
332 - 140 BC
HASMONAEANS - ISRAELITES
140 - 63 B.C.
ROMANS
63 BC - 300
BYZANTINES - Christian
313 - 611
PERSIANS II
611 - 628
BYZANTINES II
628 - 636
CALIPHATES
636 - 661 (1099)
UMAYYADS
661 - 749
ABBASIDS
749 - 877
TULUNIDS
877 - 906
ABBASIDS II
906 - 935
IKHSHIDIDS
935 - 969
FATIMIDS
970 - 1079
SELJUKS
1079 - 1098
CRUSADERS - Christians they killed many Jews and Muslims
1098 - 1187
AYYUBIDS
1187 - 1260
MAMLUKS
1260 - 1517
OTTOMANS
1517 - 1917
BRITISH MANDATE
1920 - 1948
ISRAEL, JORDAN & EGYPT
1948 - 1967
ISRAEL
1967 - 1982 All of Territory west of the Jordan River and Sinai to the Suez Canal
OSLO ACCORDS I & II
1993 - 2000
DISENGAGEMENT, HAMAS OCCUPATION OF GAZA
2005 - PRESENT
How many holidays do the Arabs-Muslims celebrate due to historical events in the land of ancient Israel and Jerusalem.
The Jewish people celebrate most of their holidays and fast days in memory of Jerusalem and Israel since 70 AD (that is over 2,000 years).
Pleading the Jewish goal and aspiration to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - where it was before it was destroyed and desecrated by the enemies of the Jews. Many of the Jewish prayers for thousands of years recite the love of Israel and the Jewish aspirations to return to their ancestral land and bring back its glory and holiness.
At Jewish weddings they break a glass in memory of Jerusalem and the aspiration to return and build the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.
Every day at the end of the meal the Jews recite a blessing and thank G-d for providing sustenance and beseech G-d to return and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
Most Jewish prayers mention our pleading to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple.
YJ Draiman
YJ Israel Draiman ·
A brief list of Jews returning to the historical ancestral land reveals a constant arrival of people joining existing Jewish villages and communities, themselves always at the mercy of alien occupiers.
According to the Center for Online Judaic Studies, here are just a few of the names of early Jewish returnees consisting of some Rabbinical leaders:
1075:1141 Yehuda Halevi, poet.
1135: 1204 Maimonides, philosopher.
1210: Settlement in Israel of three hundred French and English rabbis.
1267: Nachmanides arrives in Israel.
1313: Estory Haparchi arrives: The first geographer of Israel.
1538: Renewal of rabbinic ordination in Safed.
1561: Joseph Nasi leases Tiberius from Turkish sultan.
1700: Yehuda HeChasid and his followers arrive in Jerusalem.
1777: Large Hassidic group settles in Galilee.
1797: Rabbi Nachman of Bratzlav’s trip to Israel.
1808: Disciples of Elijah, Gaon of Vilna, settle in Jerusalem.
This very partial list of Jewish immigrants, who arrived well before the 20th century, is an inconvenient truth to the Arab and pro-Arab propagandists who would have you believe their delusions and myth that the Jews only arrived much, much later.
The national coins, the pottery, the cities and villages, the ancient Hebrew texts all support the empirical fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in Israel for over 3,100 years. Factual proof that Jewish villages and towns were to be found in all parts of the ancient Jewish homeland and throughout all the preceding years, up until the present time, certainly dwarfs and debunks any claims that other people in the region may have; especially the Arabs who came from neighboring Arab countries and today deceptively call themselves Arab-Palestinians.
TIMELINE IN ISRAEL aka Palestine 1200 BC to 2015
PHILISTINES, JEBUSITES & ISRAELITES
1200 - 1020 BC
ISRAEL / JUDAH
1020 - 745 BC
ASSYRIANS
745 - 597 BC
EGYPTIANS III
609 - 605 BC
BABYLONIANS
604 - 538 BC
PERSIANS
538 - 332 BC
GREEKS
332 - 140 BC
HASMONAEANS - ISRAELITES
140 - 63 B.C.
ROMANS
63 BC - 300
BYZANTINES - Christian
313 - 611
PERSIANS II
611 - 628
BYZANTINES II
628 - 636
CALIPHATES
636 - 661 (1099)
UMAYYADS
661 - 749
ABBASIDS
749 - 877
TULUNIDS
877 - 906
ABBASIDS II
906 - 935
IKHSHIDIDS
935 - 969
FATIMIDS
970 - 1079
SELJUKS
1079 - 1098
CRUSADERS - Christians they killed many Jews and Muslims
1098 - 1187
AYYUBIDS
1187 - 1260
MAMLUKS
1260 - 1517
OTTOMANS
1517 - 1917
BRITISH MANDATE
1920 - 1948
ISRAEL, JORDAN & EGYPT
1948 - 1967
ISRAEL
1967 - 1982 All of Territory west of the Jordan River and Sinai to the Suez Canal
OSLO ACCORDS I & II
1993 - 2000
According to the Center for Online Judaic Studies, here are just a few of the names of early Jewish returnees consisting of some Rabbinical leaders:
1075:1141 Yehuda Halevi, poet.
1135: 1204 Maimonides, philosopher.
1210: Settlement in Israel of three hundred French and English rabbis.
1267: Nachmanides arrives in Israel.
1313: Estory Haparchi arrives: The first geographer of Israel.
1538: Renewal of rabbinic ordination in Safed.
1561: Joseph Nasi leases Tiberius from Turkish sultan.
1700: Yehuda HeChasid and his followers arrive in Jerusalem.
1777: Large Hassidic group settles in Galilee.
1797: Rabbi Nachman of Bratzlav’s trip to Israel.
1808: Disciples of Elijah, Gaon of Vilna, settle in Jerusalem.
This very partial list of Jewish immigrants, who arrived well before the 20th century, is an inconvenient truth to the Arab and pro-Arab propagandists who would have you believe their delusions and myth that the Jews only arrived much, much later.
The national coins, the pottery, the cities and villages, the ancient Hebrew texts all support the empirical fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in Israel for over 3,100 years. Factual proof that Jewish villages and towns were to be found in all parts of the ancient Jewish homeland and throughout all the preceding years, up until the present time, certainly dwarfs and debunks any claims that other people in the region may have; especially the Arabs who came from neighboring Arab countries and today deceptively call themselves Arab-Palestinians.
TIMELINE IN ISRAEL aka Palestine 1200 BC to 2015
PHILISTINES, JEBUSITES & ISRAELITES
1200 - 1020 BC
ISRAEL / JUDAH
1020 - 745 BC
ASSYRIANS
745 - 597 BC
EGYPTIANS III
609 - 605 BC
BABYLONIANS
604 - 538 BC
PERSIANS
538 - 332 BC
GREEKS
332 - 140 BC
HASMONAEANS - ISRAELITES
140 - 63 B.C.
ROMANS
63 BC - 300
BYZANTINES - Christian
313 - 611
PERSIANS II
611 - 628
BYZANTINES II
628 - 636
CALIPHATES
636 - 661 (1099)
UMAYYADS
661 - 749
ABBASIDS
749 - 877
TULUNIDS
877 - 906
ABBASIDS II
906 - 935
IKHSHIDIDS
935 - 969
FATIMIDS
970 - 1079
SELJUKS
1079 - 1098
CRUSADERS - Christians they killed many Jews and Muslims
1098 - 1187
AYYUBIDS
1187 - 1260
MAMLUKS
1260 - 1517
OTTOMANS
1517 - 1917
BRITISH MANDATE
1920 - 1948
ISRAEL, JORDAN & EGYPT
1948 - 1967
ISRAEL
1967 - 1982 All of Territory west of the Jordan River and Sinai to the Suez Canal
OSLO ACCORDS I & II
1993 - 2000
YJ Israel Draiman ·
Facts Arab-Palestinians Would Rather Not Admit About Israel
In doing my research and writing various articles about the Arab-Israeli Conflict I was asked some pointed questions about my conclusions in some of my recent articles, which dealt – as most of them do – with the history of Israel: biblical, post-biblical and international laws and treaties.
I had stated in one of my articles the following sentence: “Only one people has ever made Jerusalem its capital and only one people ever established their ancestral indigenous and biblical homeland between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea: the Jews.”
I had also added that: “the Jews were the remaining aboriginal indigenous inhabitants of the Land for two millennia before the Muslim religion was even created.”
The commenter, nevertheless, had correctly pointed out that most people, because they have been exposed for such a long time to anti-Israel Arab propaganda, falsely believe that there has not been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for the last 2,000 years. Many also have the Miss-conception that the UN created the State of Israel, this is a farce.
The land of Israel has been in existence for over 3700 years and the Modern reconstituted State of Israel was decreed by post WWI international law and treaties executed by the Supreme Allied Powers which allocated the formerly occupied territory by the defeated Ottoman empire and they specified Mesopotamia, Syria and other territories to the Arabs and Palestine, the historical ancestral land of the Israelites to the Jewish people as their reconstituted homeland.
They are thus unaware that the historical territory of the land of Israel was never totally cleansed of Jewish presence. Thus, the Arabs would rather you forget also that Jews lived for two millennia in Mesopotamia and in what became later known as British created Iraq.
Indeed Jews had resided for over 3,200 years in that territory from the Babylonian Captivity 586 CE onwards. It was when International treaties executed by the Allied Supreme Powers in 1920 which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law and once the number of Jews in Palestine-Israel became substantial enough to merit the subsequent implementation of those international treaties and guarantees.
Furthermore, due to the haste-full departure of Britain in 1948 and the desertion of its commitment to implement the Mandate for Palestine as agreed by post WWI international law and treaties.
The Jewish leadership declared independence and Israel was re-established in 1948. The UN resolution to advance the sovereignty of the Jewish state, and was only carrying out some of the terms of the international treaties.
The post WWI League of Nations and the post WWII United Nations that took over from the League have no authority to create or modify international treaties.
The UN according to its charter can only recommend its resolutions and the same applies to the ICJ - International Court of Justice, thus, those recommendations must be adopted by the parties, if any of the parties rejects the resolution, it has no affect or validity.
In our case and point, the Arab Israeli Conflict. The Arabs rejected outright the UN resolutions that could of altered the conflict to a peaceful coexistence.
After the Declaration of independence of the Jewish state; the Iraqi Arabs persecuted and drove the Jews from their ancient homes of over 2400 years and confiscated all their assets, turning them into refugees who found sanctuary in Israel; at that time a fledging impoverished country barely able to support them at the time. A great number of Jewish refugees were created that it outnumbered the Arab refugees in a ratio of 2 to 1, as one Arab state after another in the Middle East and North Africa persecuted and drove out their Jewish populations who resided in those countries for over two millennia, while confiscating all their assets. A crime, which hardly is ever recognized.
Arab-Palestinians and their anti-Israel supporters try to delude, deceive and convince the world that the Jews just appeared in the early 20th century after being dispersed for over two thousand years from their biblical ancestral homeland. That is a flat out lie and flies in the face of factual recorded history. But facts never seem to matter to Arabs and pro-Arabs. So the following brief history lesson will be for them an inconvenient truth.
Let me start by quoting from an article written in The Weekly Standard, May 11, 1998 by Charles Krauthammer:
"Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one today advertising ice cream at the corner candy store."
The Jewish People trace their origin to Abraham, he who is called the Holy Convert, the first Jew, who established the belief in only one God, the creator of the universe. Abraham, his son Yitzhak (Isaac), and grandson Jacob (Israel), are referred to as the patriarchs of the Israelites who lived in what was then the Land of Canaan which today do not exist; later to become known as the Land of Israel. They and their wives are buried in the Ma'arat HaMachpela, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, in Hebron, Judaism’s second holiest city. (Genesis Chapter 23).
The name, Israel, derives from the name given to Jacob (Genesis 32:29). His 12 sons were the ancestors of the 12 tribes that later developed into the Jewish nation. The name Jew derives from Yehuda (Judah) one of the 12 sons of Jacob. You will find the names of the tribes listed in Exodus 1:1. Yehuda (Judea) is also the biblical name of the southern region of what the world calls by its Arab name – the West Bank. Shomron (Samaria) is the northern half.
Modern Israel shares the same language, culture, tradition and Jewish faith passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham and the Jews have had a continuous presence in the land of Israel for over the past 3,400 years.
YJ Draiman
In doing my research and writing various articles about the Arab-Israeli Conflict I was asked some pointed questions about my conclusions in some of my recent articles, which dealt – as most of them do – with the history of Israel: biblical, post-biblical and international laws and treaties.
I had stated in one of my articles the following sentence: “Only one people has ever made Jerusalem its capital and only one people ever established their ancestral indigenous and biblical homeland between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea: the Jews.”
I had also added that: “the Jews were the remaining aboriginal indigenous inhabitants of the Land for two millennia before the Muslim religion was even created.”
The commenter, nevertheless, had correctly pointed out that most people, because they have been exposed for such a long time to anti-Israel Arab propaganda, falsely believe that there has not been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for the last 2,000 years. Many also have the Miss-conception that the UN created the State of Israel, this is a farce.
The land of Israel has been in existence for over 3700 years and the Modern reconstituted State of Israel was decreed by post WWI international law and treaties executed by the Supreme Allied Powers which allocated the formerly occupied territory by the defeated Ottoman empire and they specified Mesopotamia, Syria and other territories to the Arabs and Palestine, the historical ancestral land of the Israelites to the Jewish people as their reconstituted homeland.
They are thus unaware that the historical territory of the land of Israel was never totally cleansed of Jewish presence. Thus, the Arabs would rather you forget also that Jews lived for two millennia in Mesopotamia and in what became later known as British created Iraq.
Indeed Jews had resided for over 3,200 years in that territory from the Babylonian Captivity 586 CE onwards. It was when International treaties executed by the Allied Supreme Powers in 1920 which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law and once the number of Jews in Palestine-Israel became substantial enough to merit the subsequent implementation of those international treaties and guarantees.
Furthermore, due to the haste-full departure of Britain in 1948 and the desertion of its commitment to implement the Mandate for Palestine as agreed by post WWI international law and treaties.
The Jewish leadership declared independence and Israel was re-established in 1948. The UN resolution to advance the sovereignty of the Jewish state, and was only carrying out some of the terms of the international treaties.
The post WWI League of Nations and the post WWII United Nations that took over from the League have no authority to create or modify international treaties.
The UN according to its charter can only recommend its resolutions and the same applies to the ICJ - International Court of Justice, thus, those recommendations must be adopted by the parties, if any of the parties rejects the resolution, it has no affect or validity.
In our case and point, the Arab Israeli Conflict. The Arabs rejected outright the UN resolutions that could of altered the conflict to a peaceful coexistence.
After the Declaration of independence of the Jewish state; the Iraqi Arabs persecuted and drove the Jews from their ancient homes of over 2400 years and confiscated all their assets, turning them into refugees who found sanctuary in Israel; at that time a fledging impoverished country barely able to support them at the time. A great number of Jewish refugees were created that it outnumbered the Arab refugees in a ratio of 2 to 1, as one Arab state after another in the Middle East and North Africa persecuted and drove out their Jewish populations who resided in those countries for over two millennia, while confiscating all their assets. A crime, which hardly is ever recognized.
Arab-Palestinians and their anti-Israel supporters try to delude, deceive and convince the world that the Jews just appeared in the early 20th century after being dispersed for over two thousand years from their biblical ancestral homeland. That is a flat out lie and flies in the face of factual recorded history. But facts never seem to matter to Arabs and pro-Arabs. So the following brief history lesson will be for them an inconvenient truth.
Let me start by quoting from an article written in The Weekly Standard, May 11, 1998 by Charles Krauthammer:
"Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one today advertising ice cream at the corner candy store."
The Jewish People trace their origin to Abraham, he who is called the Holy Convert, the first Jew, who established the belief in only one God, the creator of the universe. Abraham, his son Yitzhak (Isaac), and grandson Jacob (Israel), are referred to as the patriarchs of the Israelites who lived in what was then the Land of Canaan which today do not exist; later to become known as the Land of Israel. They and their wives are buried in the Ma'arat HaMachpela, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, in Hebron, Judaism’s second holiest city. (Genesis Chapter 23).
The name, Israel, derives from the name given to Jacob (Genesis 32:29). His 12 sons were the ancestors of the 12 tribes that later developed into the Jewish nation. The name Jew derives from Yehuda (Judah) one of the 12 sons of Jacob. You will find the names of the tribes listed in Exodus 1:1. Yehuda (Judea) is also the biblical name of the southern region of what the world calls by its Arab name – the West Bank. Shomron (Samaria) is the northern half.
Modern Israel shares the same language, culture, tradition and Jewish faith passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham and the Jews have had a continuous presence in the land of Israel for over the past 3,400 years.
YJ Draiman
YJ Israel Draiman ·
Menorah plundered from the Temple, depicted on the Arch of Titus, Rome.
In 70 AD, Rome destroyed the Holy Temple and conquered the Jewish nation, yet only part of the population was sent into exile. Even after the Second Jewish Revolt against the continuing cruel Roman occupation, Jews, though banned from Jerusalem, survived for centuries in other Jewish towns including Rafah, Gaza, Yavne, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea as well as throughout Galilee and the Golan. Ruins of synagogues built in post-biblical Byzantine times are found scattered throughout the Golan and an epic act of Jewish resistance to the Roman legions took place at Gamla, high upon the Golan Heights. Here again, the Jewish presence predates the modern Syrian claims to the Heights by two millennia.
Interestingly, early seventh century battles raged between the Persians and the Byzantines over the Land of Israel. The Byzantines were oppressing the Jews and a Jewish general, Benjamin of Tiberius, was able to raise an army of twenty thousand Jewish men from villages and towns in northern Israel to support the Persian cause against the oppressors. This again points to extensive Jewish life in the land well after the erroneous and false Arab claim that Jews had not lived in the land during the last 2,200 years.
The height of Jewish prominence was again achieved in the tenth century. In Tiberius, by the shores of Lake Kinneret, the Sea of Galilee, a symbol system for Hebrew vowels was created which eventually gained universal acceptance. But with the advent of the Crusades in Israel during the 12th century, and the massacres of thousands of Jews in Jerusalem and throughout the land, the Jewish population reached its lowest point. But Jewish populations again revived, strengthened by new Jewish immigrants arriving constantly from the Diaspora. Many such returnees settled in Safed, Tiberius, Hebron and Jerusalem.
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
Menorah plundered from the Temple, depicted on the Arch of Titus, Rome.
In 70 AD, Rome destroyed the Holy Temple and conquered the Jewish nation, yet only part of the population was sent into exile. Even after the Second Jewish Revolt against the continuing cruel Roman occupation, Jews, though banned from Jerusalem, survived for centuries in other Jewish towns including Rafah, Gaza, Yavne, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea as well as throughout Galilee and the Golan. Ruins of synagogues built in post-biblical Byzantine times are found scattered throughout the Golan and an epic act of Jewish resistance to the Roman legions took place at Gamla, high upon the Golan Heights. Here again, the Jewish presence predates the modern Syrian claims to the Heights by two millennia.
Interestingly, early seventh century battles raged between the Persians and the Byzantines over the Land of Israel. The Byzantines were oppressing the Jews and a Jewish general, Benjamin of Tiberius, was able to raise an army of twenty thousand Jewish men from villages and towns in northern Israel to support the Persian cause against the oppressors. This again points to extensive Jewish life in the land well after the erroneous and false Arab claim that Jews had not lived in the land during the last 2,200 years.
The height of Jewish prominence was again achieved in the tenth century. In Tiberius, by the shores of Lake Kinneret, the Sea of Galilee, a symbol system for Hebrew vowels was created which eventually gained universal acceptance. But with the advent of the Crusades in Israel during the 12th century, and the massacres of thousands of Jews in Jerusalem and throughout the land, the Jewish population reached its lowest point. But Jewish populations again revived, strengthened by new Jewish immigrants arriving constantly from the Diaspora. Many such returnees settled in Safed, Tiberius, Hebron and Jerusalem.
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
YJ Draiman
In 70 AD, Rome destroyed the Holy Temple and conquered the Jewish nation, yet only part of the population was sent into exile. Even after the Second Jewish Revolt against the continuing cruel Roman occupation, Jews, though banned from Jerusalem, survived for centuries in other Jewish towns including Rafah, Gaza, Yavne, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea as well as throughout Galilee and the Golan. Ruins of synagogues built in post-biblical Byzantine times are found scattered throughout the Golan and an epic act of Jewish resistance to the Roman legions took place at Gamla, high upon the Golan Heights. Here again, the Jewish presence predates the modern Syrian claims to the Heights by two millennia.
Interestingly, early seventh century battles raged between the Persians and the Byzantines over the Land of Israel. The Byzantines were oppressing the Jews and a Jewish general, Benjamin of Tiberius, was able to raise an army of twenty thousand Jewish men from villages and towns in northern Israel to support the Persian cause against the oppressors. This again points to extensive Jewish life in the land well after the erroneous and false Arab claim that Jews had not lived in the land during the last 2,200 years.
The height of Jewish prominence was again achieved in the tenth century. In Tiberius, by the shores of Lake Kinneret, the Sea of Galilee, a symbol system for Hebrew vowels was created which eventually gained universal acceptance. But with the advent of the Crusades in Israel during the 12th century, and the massacres of thousands of Jews in Jerusalem and throughout the land, the Jewish population reached its lowest point. But Jewish populations again revived, strengthened by new Jewish immigrants arriving constantly from the Diaspora. Many such returnees settled in Safed, Tiberius, Hebron and Jerusalem.
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
Menorah plundered from the Temple, depicted on the Arch of Titus, Rome.
In 70 AD, Rome destroyed the Holy Temple and conquered the Jewish nation, yet only part of the population was sent into exile. Even after the Second Jewish Revolt against the continuing cruel Roman occupation, Jews, though banned from Jerusalem, survived for centuries in other Jewish towns including Rafah, Gaza, Yavne, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea as well as throughout Galilee and the Golan. Ruins of synagogues built in post-biblical Byzantine times are found scattered throughout the Golan and an epic act of Jewish resistance to the Roman legions took place at Gamla, high upon the Golan Heights. Here again, the Jewish presence predates the modern Syrian claims to the Heights by two millennia.
Interestingly, early seventh century battles raged between the Persians and the Byzantines over the Land of Israel. The Byzantines were oppressing the Jews and a Jewish general, Benjamin of Tiberius, was able to raise an army of twenty thousand Jewish men from villages and towns in northern Israel to support the Persian cause against the oppressors. This again points to extensive Jewish life in the land well after the erroneous and false Arab claim that Jews had not lived in the land during the last 2,200 years.
The height of Jewish prominence was again achieved in the tenth century. In Tiberius, by the shores of Lake Kinneret, the Sea of Galilee, a symbol system for Hebrew vowels was created which eventually gained universal acceptance. But with the advent of the Crusades in Israel during the 12th century, and the massacres of thousands of Jews in Jerusalem and throughout the land, the Jewish population reached its lowest point. But Jewish populations again revived, strengthened by new Jewish immigrants arriving constantly from the Diaspora. Many such returnees settled in Safed, Tiberius, Hebron and Jerusalem.
These are the four Holy Jewish cities of the Land with Jerusalem, north, south, east and west, the eternal over 3,200 year old Jewish capital and veritable jewel in the crown. Jews traveling from Europe, such as the remarkable medieval explorer, Benjamin of Tudela, had to overcome immense perils while crossing lands at war with one another. They had to avoid death or capture by bandits, or at sea from North African pirates and Crusaders based in Cyprus or Malta. That they came at all, however, remains a tribute to the earliest efforts to keep Israel populated with its aboriginal and ancestral folk and abide by the religious commandments to go up to the land of Israel and reside there.
YJ Draiman
YJ Israel Draiman ·
UN Did Not Create Israel - 1920 International Law and Treaties Reconstituted it
The UN and The ICJ Are Only Advisory Organizations
The UN under its Charter has no authority and cannot establish a country; it cannot supersede or modify international law and treaties.
The UN under its charter can only recommend its resolutions and if it is accepted by the parties and signed as an agreement by the parties, it is valid; otherwise said resolution has no validity and cannot be enforced.
History proves the Arabs have rejected outright all pertinent UN resolutions, thus, rendering said resolutions as invalid and unenforceable. Even if the UN, other nations, or other entities and organizations put up flags and any other action for the fictitious Arab Palestinians, said flag-raising is meaningless.
The 1917 Balfour Declaration recognized the Indigenous and Legal rights of the Jewish people to their historical ancestral land of Israel (aka Palestine). Thus, about 75,000 square miles was assigned to be the reconstituted Jewish National Home. It must be noted that said recognition of “Indigenous” rights was based upon the historical fact the Jewish people and had a continuous habitation of this land for over 4000 years.
In furtherance of the 1917 Balfour Declaration the Faisal Weizmann Agreement was signed and executed in London on January 3, 1919 which recognized Palestine as a Jewish territory. This Agreement was the only time Arabs agreed to, and executed a legally binding document recognizing the land which belonged to the Jewish people. It must be noted since this “Agreement” was executed, no other legally binding agreement has ever been agreed to by the Arabs which supersedes this Agreement, or other treaties.
In further support of the above facts and under International Law, treaties were signed and executed by the Supreme Allied Powers after WWI. At this time Arab states were created in Mesopotamia, Syria, and Lebanon, etc., totaling 5 million square miles. Most importantly, at the very same time Israel (aka Palestine) was assigned to the Jewish people as their Jewish National Home.
After 1947 the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all their assets including over 120,000 square km. of land, which is about 6 times the size of Israel. Most of the million expelled Jewish families were resettled in Israel and now comprise over half the population of Israel.
Ironically, with the immigration of so many expelled Jewish families, the increase in the population of Israel satisfied one of the elements contained in the 1920 international treaty which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law (Israel's Magna Carta): Israel Jewish population had to be substantial enough in order to become self-governing.
The British as trustee for the Jewish people assumed the duty, obligation and responsibility to enhance and promote the Jewish immigration thus, substantially increase the Jewish population and implement the Jewish Sovereign government of the historical reconstituted Jewish National home in Palestine.
After numerous Arab violent rioting incidents in Palestine, The British decided for their own economic interest to violate the trust, thus, violate the terms of International law and treaties and the Mandate for Jewish Palestine and instead of promoting Jewish immigration it restricted Jewish immigration and prohibited Jews from buying properties in Israel.
Furthermore, The British under the auspices of the League of Nation and a Mandate for Jewish Palestine which violated international law and treaties, reallocated 78% of Jewish territory all the lad East of the Jordan River, as the New Arab State of Transjordan now named Jordan. Moreover, it instituted an apartheid rule and prohibited Jews from purchasing land or residing in Jordan.
When WWII was initially progressing many Jewish families were trying to escape Nazi Germany extermination camps. The British blocked their entry into Palestine and sent many of them back to Germany to be exterminated. These actions caused the deaths of millions of Jews.
In 1947 after embarrassing military loses in Palestine. The British decided to abdicate and terminate their obligation to the terms of the Mandate and notified the UN which took over for the League of Nations in 1946.
In view of the riots and violence in Palestine. The UN on its own and in violation of international law and treaties, voted and **recommended (I stress recommended only - non-binding, which must be accepted by all parties or it is meaningless, and the Arabs rejected it) to partition again the balance 22% of Jewish territory west of the Jordan River and reallocate the Western part west of the Jordan River, Judea and Samaria to the Arabs and the balance to the Jewish people up to the Mediterranean sea.
The Jewish Committee in Palestine, upon the notice that the British were deserting their fiduciary obligation to the term of the Mandate in Palestine and were leaving Palestine, were forced to make a crucial decision, to declare Israel's Independence with only about 600,000 Jews in Palestine.
The Jewish committee in Palestine waited until the UN vote recognizing Israel and declared its official independence on May 14, 1948. The declaration of independence of Israel would have occurred even if the UN did not recognize Israel.
The Jewish committee in Palestine-Israel adhering to international law and treaties post WWI by the Supreme Allied Powers allocating Palestine for the National Jewish State was legally instituted in 1920 and a year prior to that agreed to by the Faisal Weizmann agreement executed in London on January 3, 1919.
YJ Draiman
The UN and The ICJ Are Only Advisory Organizations
The UN under its Charter has no authority and cannot establish a country; it cannot supersede or modify international law and treaties.
The UN under its charter can only recommend its resolutions and if it is accepted by the parties and signed as an agreement by the parties, it is valid; otherwise said resolution has no validity and cannot be enforced.
History proves the Arabs have rejected outright all pertinent UN resolutions, thus, rendering said resolutions as invalid and unenforceable. Even if the UN, other nations, or other entities and organizations put up flags and any other action for the fictitious Arab Palestinians, said flag-raising is meaningless.
The 1917 Balfour Declaration recognized the Indigenous and Legal rights of the Jewish people to their historical ancestral land of Israel (aka Palestine). Thus, about 75,000 square miles was assigned to be the reconstituted Jewish National Home. It must be noted that said recognition of “Indigenous” rights was based upon the historical fact the Jewish people and had a continuous habitation of this land for over 4000 years.
In furtherance of the 1917 Balfour Declaration the Faisal Weizmann Agreement was signed and executed in London on January 3, 1919 which recognized Palestine as a Jewish territory. This Agreement was the only time Arabs agreed to, and executed a legally binding document recognizing the land which belonged to the Jewish people. It must be noted since this “Agreement” was executed, no other legally binding agreement has ever been agreed to by the Arabs which supersedes this Agreement, or other treaties.
In further support of the above facts and under International Law, treaties were signed and executed by the Supreme Allied Powers after WWI. At this time Arab states were created in Mesopotamia, Syria, and Lebanon, etc., totaling 5 million square miles. Most importantly, at the very same time Israel (aka Palestine) was assigned to the Jewish people as their Jewish National Home.
After 1947 the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all their assets including over 120,000 square km. of land, which is about 6 times the size of Israel. Most of the million expelled Jewish families were resettled in Israel and now comprise over half the population of Israel.
Ironically, with the immigration of so many expelled Jewish families, the increase in the population of Israel satisfied one of the elements contained in the 1920 international treaty which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law (Israel's Magna Carta): Israel Jewish population had to be substantial enough in order to become self-governing.
The British as trustee for the Jewish people assumed the duty, obligation and responsibility to enhance and promote the Jewish immigration thus, substantially increase the Jewish population and implement the Jewish Sovereign government of the historical reconstituted Jewish National home in Palestine.
After numerous Arab violent rioting incidents in Palestine, The British decided for their own economic interest to violate the trust, thus, violate the terms of International law and treaties and the Mandate for Jewish Palestine and instead of promoting Jewish immigration it restricted Jewish immigration and prohibited Jews from buying properties in Israel.
Furthermore, The British under the auspices of the League of Nation and a Mandate for Jewish Palestine which violated international law and treaties, reallocated 78% of Jewish territory all the lad East of the Jordan River, as the New Arab State of Transjordan now named Jordan. Moreover, it instituted an apartheid rule and prohibited Jews from purchasing land or residing in Jordan.
When WWII was initially progressing many Jewish families were trying to escape Nazi Germany extermination camps. The British blocked their entry into Palestine and sent many of them back to Germany to be exterminated. These actions caused the deaths of millions of Jews.
In 1947 after embarrassing military loses in Palestine. The British decided to abdicate and terminate their obligation to the terms of the Mandate and notified the UN which took over for the League of Nations in 1946.
In view of the riots and violence in Palestine. The UN on its own and in violation of international law and treaties, voted and **recommended (I stress recommended only - non-binding, which must be accepted by all parties or it is meaningless, and the Arabs rejected it) to partition again the balance 22% of Jewish territory west of the Jordan River and reallocate the Western part west of the Jordan River, Judea and Samaria to the Arabs and the balance to the Jewish people up to the Mediterranean sea.
The Jewish Committee in Palestine, upon the notice that the British were deserting their fiduciary obligation to the term of the Mandate in Palestine and were leaving Palestine, were forced to make a crucial decision, to declare Israel's Independence with only about 600,000 Jews in Palestine.
The Jewish committee in Palestine waited until the UN vote recognizing Israel and declared its official independence on May 14, 1948. The declaration of independence of Israel would have occurred even if the UN did not recognize Israel.
The Jewish committee in Palestine-Israel adhering to international law and treaties post WWI by the Supreme Allied Powers allocating Palestine for the National Jewish State was legally instituted in 1920 and a year prior to that agreed to by the Faisal Weizmann agreement executed in London on January 3, 1919.
YJ Draiman
YJ Israel Draiman ·
The Oslo accord is null and void! - A scathing indictment of the world nations at large! r10
The Arab-Palestinians Charter explicitly states that they want the State of Israel for themselves and the Jewish people destroyed.
The Arab-Palestinians actions to date has proven that they do not want peace. Why is the liberal left and many of the world nations are fantasizing and deluding themselves that the Arabs want peace.
People of the world wake up and realize what is their ultimate mission, eliminate the unbelievers. The Arabs promote and indoctrinate the children to commit terror and violence.
The Arabs never intended to abide by the Accord, or any other agreements with Israel for that matter. It was only a means to take control of territory and eventually take over all of Israel and expel and kill the Jews again, and they do not hide their intentions.
No Democratic country in the world would tolerate the terror violence and mayhem being committed in Israel by the Arabs. Any country that does not take extreme actions to stop this terror and violence is shirking its responsibility and obligation to its citizens and should be replaced.
Just like Abbas statement this week. It is time for formally announcing that the Oslo Accord is null and void and institute a population exchange. Moving the Arabs to Jordan and or the 120,000 sq. km. the Arab countries confiscated from the expelled million Jewish families. Thus, take back complete control of Judea and Samaria and everything west of the Jordan River as decreed by post WWI international law and treaties, including the January 1919 Faisal Weizmann Agreement.
If the world at large does not wake up now they will be next. It already has started, take off the blinders, open you eyes and look around.
No entity in the world will force a solution on Israel.
They forced or were complicit to the Final solution in WWII with the Holocaust and the extermination of over 6 million Jewish people, men women and children.
Where were the worlds nations outcry, threats and objection when millions of Jewish people were being exterminated, men women and children? They were silent.
Where was the world nations when the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and their children from their countries many who lived there for over 2,400 years, the Arabs confiscated their assets, business, homes and land 6 times the size of Israel (120,440 sq. km. or 75,000 sq. miles), valued in the trillions of dollars? Most of the expelled Jewish families settled in Israel and now comprise over half the population.
Where is the world nations today? Why do they ignore when thousands are slaughtered by Muslims throughout the world. The Muslims have killed over a half a billion people since the Muslim religion was initiated.
Today and since 1948. Israel is being threatened with annihilation and when Israel defends itself from destruction, terror, suicide bombers, thousands of missiles, violence, etc, by the Arabs, every country has something to say, threaten Israel and meddle in its internal business.
This is the time when nations of the world must mind their own business and stay out of Israel’s internal affairs. Only then there will be a possibility of peace.
NEVER AGAIN!!!
YJ Draiman
The Arab-Palestinians Charter explicitly states that they want the State of Israel for themselves and the Jewish people destroyed.
The Arab-Palestinians actions to date has proven that they do not want peace. Why is the liberal left and many of the world nations are fantasizing and deluding themselves that the Arabs want peace.
People of the world wake up and realize what is their ultimate mission, eliminate the unbelievers. The Arabs promote and indoctrinate the children to commit terror and violence.
The Arabs never intended to abide by the Accord, or any other agreements with Israel for that matter. It was only a means to take control of territory and eventually take over all of Israel and expel and kill the Jews again, and they do not hide their intentions.
No Democratic country in the world would tolerate the terror violence and mayhem being committed in Israel by the Arabs. Any country that does not take extreme actions to stop this terror and violence is shirking its responsibility and obligation to its citizens and should be replaced.
Just like Abbas statement this week. It is time for formally announcing that the Oslo Accord is null and void and institute a population exchange. Moving the Arabs to Jordan and or the 120,000 sq. km. the Arab countries confiscated from the expelled million Jewish families. Thus, take back complete control of Judea and Samaria and everything west of the Jordan River as decreed by post WWI international law and treaties, including the January 1919 Faisal Weizmann Agreement.
If the world at large does not wake up now they will be next. It already has started, take off the blinders, open you eyes and look around.
No entity in the world will force a solution on Israel.
They forced or were complicit to the Final solution in WWII with the Holocaust and the extermination of over 6 million Jewish people, men women and children.
Where were the worlds nations outcry, threats and objection when millions of Jewish people were being exterminated, men women and children? They were silent.
Where was the world nations when the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and their children from their countries many who lived there for over 2,400 years, the Arabs confiscated their assets, business, homes and land 6 times the size of Israel (120,440 sq. km. or 75,000 sq. miles), valued in the trillions of dollars? Most of the expelled Jewish families settled in Israel and now comprise over half the population.
Where is the world nations today? Why do they ignore when thousands are slaughtered by Muslims throughout the world. The Muslims have killed over a half a billion people since the Muslim religion was initiated.
Today and since 1948. Israel is being threatened with annihilation and when Israel defends itself from destruction, terror, suicide bombers, thousands of missiles, violence, etc, by the Arabs, every country has something to say, threaten Israel and meddle in its internal business.
This is the time when nations of the world must mind their own business and stay out of Israel’s internal affairs. Only then there will be a possibility of peace.
NEVER AGAIN!!!
YJ Draiman
Walk Tall Hang Loose
The Oslo process was invalid from the start. Palestine recognized the right of Israel to exist in peace and security. Israel did not recognize the right of Palestine to exist in peace and security, or even that there was such a place as Palestine. Such an unequal negotiation could never have resulted in a just and lasting peace. Twenty years have been wasted on this charade. It should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Palestine should refuse to negotiate with Israel until Israel recognizes (a) the right of Palestine to exist in peace and security; (b) that the settlement program is illegal in international law and must stop; (c) that Israel forces must withdraw from territories occupied in 1967, in accord with UNSCR 242.
Palestine should refuse to negotiate with Israel until Israel recognizes (a) the right of Palestine to exist in peace and security; (b) that the settlement program is illegal in international law and must stop; (c) that Israel forces must withdraw from territories occupied in 1967, in accord with UNSCR 242.
Hertzel Rahmani ·
You know nothing of UNSCR 242... it said withdrawal from territories ... not "all the territories" ! secondly, what state of "Palestine" you are talking about? there never was a "state of Palestine" you people made it up, it is a farce the enemies of the Jews have created to hide their antisemitism. The territories as you call them, are Judea and Samaria, a Jewish biblical land. The land was under Jordanian OCCUPATION for 19 years, that's all, only 19 years.. Israel has them now for nearly 40 years (!) so ownership is measured by how long you have lived in the place right? Also, under "International Law" as you like to hide behind, it is agreed that land taken away from an atacking agresor is lost to that agresor, name l the Jordanians/Arabs/"pals" .....
Louis Arpino ·
Hertzel Rahmani "a farce the enemies of the Jews have created"? Well, Hertzel, then 139 countries representing over 80% of the world's population are enemies of the Jews by your definition. Over 90 of these countries host Palestinian embassies on their soil and not a single country in the world recognizes Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
You can no longer suspend the reality of International Law.
You can no longer suspend the reality of International Law.
Denis McClean ·
Hertzel Rahmani Hebrews, not Jews are the smallest percentage of the Semitic Culture, which is predominantly Palestinian and Arab. Jews are a religion but Israel is Zionist, which makes Israel the most anti-semitic institution in the world. Even the real Semitic Jews don't want it.
YJ Israel Draiman ·
Hertzel Rahmani UN Did Not Create Israel - 1920 International Law and Treaties Reconstituted it
The UN and The ICJ Are Only Advisory Organizations
The UN under its Charter has no authority and cannot establish a country; it cannot supersede or modify international law and treaties.
The UN under its charter can only recommend its resolutions and if it is accepted by the parties and signed as an agreement by the parties, it is valid; otherwise said resolution has no validity and cannot be enforced.
History proves the Arabs have rejected outright all pertinent UN resolutions, thus, rendering said resolutions as invalid and unenforceable. Even if the UN, other nations, or other entities and organizations put up flags and any other action for the fictitious Arab Palestinians, said flag-raising is meaningless.
The 1917 Balfour Declaration recognized the Indigenous and Legal rights of the Jewish people to their historical ancestral land of Israel (aka Palestine). Thus, about 75,000 square miles was assigned to be the reconstituted Jewish National Home. It must be noted that said recognition of “Indigenous” rights was based upon the historical fact the Jewish people and had a continuous habitation of this land for over 4000 years.
In furtherance of the 1917 Balfour Declaration the Faisal Weizmann Agreement was signed and executed in London on January 3, 1919 which recognized Palestine as a Jewish territory. This Agreement was the only time Arabs agreed to, and executed a legally binding document recognizing the land which belonged to the Jewish people. It must be noted since this “Agreement” was executed, no other legally binding agreement has ever been agreed to by the Arabs which supersedes this Agreement, or other treaties.
In further support of the above facts and under International Law, treaties were signed and executed by the Supreme Allied Powers after WWI. At this time Arab states were created in Mesopotamia, Syria, and Lebanon, etc., totaling 5 million square miles. Most importantly, at the very same time Israel (aka Palestine) was assigned to the Jewish people as their Jewish National Home.
After 1947 the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all their assets including over 120,000 square km. of land, which is about 6 times the size of Israel. Most of the million expelled Jewish families were resettled in Israel and now comprise over half the population of Israel.
Ironically, with the immigration of so many expelled Jewish families, the increase in the population of Israel satisfied one of the elements contained in the 1920 international treaty which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law (Israel's Magna Carta): Israel Jewish population had to be substantial enough in order to become self-governing.
The British as trustee for the Jewish people assumed the duty, obligation and responsibility to enhance and promote the Jewish immigration thus, substantially increase the Jewish population and implement the Jewish Sovereign government of the historical reconstituted Jewish National home in Palestine.
After numerous Arab violent rioting incidents in Palestine, The British decided for their own economic interest to violate the trust, thus, violate the terms of International law and treaties and the Mandate for Jewish Palestine and instead of promoting Jewish immigration it restricted Jewish immigration and prohibited Jews from buying properties in Israel.
Furthermore, The British under the auspices of the League of Nation and a Mandate for Jewish Palestine which violated international law and treaties, reallocated 78% of Jewish territory all the lad East of the Jordan River, as the New Arab State of Transjordan now named Jordan. Moreover, it instituted an apartheid rule and prohibited Jews from purchasing land or residing in Jordan.
When WWII was initially progressing many Jewish families were trying to escape Nazi Germany extermination camps. The British blocked their entry into Palestine and sent many of them back to Germany to be exterminated. These actions caused the deaths of millions of Jews.
In 1947 after embarrassing military loses in Palestine. The British decided to abdicate and terminate their obligation to the terms of the Mandate and notified the UN which took over for the League of Nations in 1946.
In view of the riots and violence in Palestine. The UN on its own and in violation of international law and treaties, voted and **recommended (I stress recommended only - non-binding, which must be accepted by all parties or it is meaningless, and the Arabs rejected it) to partition again the balance 22% of Jewish territory west of the Jordan River and reallocate the Western part west of the Jordan River, Judea and Samaria to the Arabs and the balance to the Jewish people up to the Mediterranean sea.
The Jewish Committee in Palestine, upon the notice that the British were deserting their fiduciary obligation to the term of the Mandate in Palestine and were leaving Palestine, were forced to make a crucial decision, to declare Israel's Independence with only about 600,000 Jews in Palestine.
The Jewish committee in Palestine waited until the UN vote recognizing Israel and declared its official independence on May 14, 1948. The declaration of independence of Israel would have occurred even if the UN did not recognize Israel.
The Jewish committee in Palestine-Israel adhering to international law and treaties post WWI by the Supreme Allied Powers allocating Palestine for the National Jewish State was legally instituted in 1920 and a year prior to that agreed to by the Faisal Weizmann agreement executed in London on January 3, 1919.
YJ Draiman
The UN and The ICJ Are Only Advisory Organizations
The UN under its Charter has no authority and cannot establish a country; it cannot supersede or modify international law and treaties.
The UN under its charter can only recommend its resolutions and if it is accepted by the parties and signed as an agreement by the parties, it is valid; otherwise said resolution has no validity and cannot be enforced.
History proves the Arabs have rejected outright all pertinent UN resolutions, thus, rendering said resolutions as invalid and unenforceable. Even if the UN, other nations, or other entities and organizations put up flags and any other action for the fictitious Arab Palestinians, said flag-raising is meaningless.
The 1917 Balfour Declaration recognized the Indigenous and Legal rights of the Jewish people to their historical ancestral land of Israel (aka Palestine). Thus, about 75,000 square miles was assigned to be the reconstituted Jewish National Home. It must be noted that said recognition of “Indigenous” rights was based upon the historical fact the Jewish people and had a continuous habitation of this land for over 4000 years.
In furtherance of the 1917 Balfour Declaration the Faisal Weizmann Agreement was signed and executed in London on January 3, 1919 which recognized Palestine as a Jewish territory. This Agreement was the only time Arabs agreed to, and executed a legally binding document recognizing the land which belonged to the Jewish people. It must be noted since this “Agreement” was executed, no other legally binding agreement has ever been agreed to by the Arabs which supersedes this Agreement, or other treaties.
In further support of the above facts and under International Law, treaties were signed and executed by the Supreme Allied Powers after WWI. At this time Arab states were created in Mesopotamia, Syria, and Lebanon, etc., totaling 5 million square miles. Most importantly, at the very same time Israel (aka Palestine) was assigned to the Jewish people as their Jewish National Home.
After 1947 the Arab countries persecuted and expelled over a million Jewish families and confiscated all their assets including over 120,000 square km. of land, which is about 6 times the size of Israel. Most of the million expelled Jewish families were resettled in Israel and now comprise over half the population of Israel.
Ironically, with the immigration of so many expelled Jewish families, the increase in the population of Israel satisfied one of the elements contained in the 1920 international treaty which incorporated the Balfour Declaration as international law (Israel's Magna Carta): Israel Jewish population had to be substantial enough in order to become self-governing.
The British as trustee for the Jewish people assumed the duty, obligation and responsibility to enhance and promote the Jewish immigration thus, substantially increase the Jewish population and implement the Jewish Sovereign government of the historical reconstituted Jewish National home in Palestine.
After numerous Arab violent rioting incidents in Palestine, The British decided for their own economic interest to violate the trust, thus, violate the terms of International law and treaties and the Mandate for Jewish Palestine and instead of promoting Jewish immigration it restricted Jewish immigration and prohibited Jews from buying properties in Israel.
Furthermore, The British under the auspices of the League of Nation and a Mandate for Jewish Palestine which violated international law and treaties, reallocated 78% of Jewish territory all the lad East of the Jordan River, as the New Arab State of Transjordan now named Jordan. Moreover, it instituted an apartheid rule and prohibited Jews from purchasing land or residing in Jordan.
When WWII was initially progressing many Jewish families were trying to escape Nazi Germany extermination camps. The British blocked their entry into Palestine and sent many of them back to Germany to be exterminated. These actions caused the deaths of millions of Jews.
In 1947 after embarrassing military loses in Palestine. The British decided to abdicate and terminate their obligation to the terms of the Mandate and notified the UN which took over for the League of Nations in 1946.
In view of the riots and violence in Palestine. The UN on its own and in violation of international law and treaties, voted and **recommended (I stress recommended only - non-binding, which must be accepted by all parties or it is meaningless, and the Arabs rejected it) to partition again the balance 22% of Jewish territory west of the Jordan River and reallocate the Western part west of the Jordan River, Judea and Samaria to the Arabs and the balance to the Jewish people up to the Mediterranean sea.
The Jewish Committee in Palestine, upon the notice that the British were deserting their fiduciary obligation to the term of the Mandate in Palestine and were leaving Palestine, were forced to make a crucial decision, to declare Israel's Independence with only about 600,000 Jews in Palestine.
The Jewish committee in Palestine waited until the UN vote recognizing Israel and declared its official independence on May 14, 1948. The declaration of independence of Israel would have occurred even if the UN did not recognize Israel.
The Jewish committee in Palestine-Israel adhering to international law and treaties post WWI by the Supreme Allied Powers allocating Palestine for the National Jewish State was legally instituted in 1920 and a year prior to that agreed to by the Faisal Weizmann agreement executed in London on January 3, 1919.
YJ Draiman
Walk Tall Hang Loose
YJ Israel Draiman: You said: "The 1917 Balfour Declaration recognized the Indigenous and Legal rights of the Jewish people to their historical ancestral land of Israel (aka Palestine)." Whoever told you that was lying to you. Here is the text of the Declaration.
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
They thought it was a GOOD IDEA to establish a Jewish national home in Palestine: not that the Jews had a RIGHT to such a home.
And the British Government also emphasised that a Jewish national home IN Palestine is not the same thing as reconstituting Palestine AS a Jewish national home.
The World Zionist Organization passed a resolution in 1921 saying that
"We do thereby reaffirm our desire to attain a durable understanding which shall enable the Arab and Jewish peoples to live together in Palestine on terms of mutual respect and co-operate in making the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which will assure to EACH OF THESE PEOPLES an undisturbed NATIONAL development...The Jews on the one hand and the Arabs on the other are to be regarded as living side by side on a footing of PERFECT EQUALITY in all matters."
Palestine was to become the national home of the Jews as well as, of course, remaining the national home of the existing Arab population. This is what the Zionists asked for in 1921, and what they got in the Mandate for Palestine in 1922. The Mandate acknowledges the historic connection of the Jews with the land, but nowhere does it say that European Jews have a RIGHT to settle there. It says only that Jewish immigration should be allowed "under suitable conditions" as long as it does not prejudice "the rights and position of other sections of the population".
Everything else you say in your post is equally fallacious.
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
They thought it was a GOOD IDEA to establish a Jewish national home in Palestine: not that the Jews had a RIGHT to such a home.
And the British Government also emphasised that a Jewish national home IN Palestine is not the same thing as reconstituting Palestine AS a Jewish national home.
The World Zionist Organization passed a resolution in 1921 saying that
"We do thereby reaffirm our desire to attain a durable understanding which shall enable the Arab and Jewish peoples to live together in Palestine on terms of mutual respect and co-operate in making the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which will assure to EACH OF THESE PEOPLES an undisturbed NATIONAL development...The Jews on the one hand and the Arabs on the other are to be regarded as living side by side on a footing of PERFECT EQUALITY in all matters."
Palestine was to become the national home of the Jews as well as, of course, remaining the national home of the existing Arab population. This is what the Zionists asked for in 1921, and what they got in the Mandate for Palestine in 1922. The Mandate acknowledges the historic connection of the Jews with the land, but nowhere does it say that European Jews have a RIGHT to settle there. It says only that Jewish immigration should be allowed "under suitable conditions" as long as it does not prejudice "the rights and position of other sections of the population".
Everything else you say in your post is equally fallacious.
John Lappart ·
Works at Self-Employed
All this hasbara is aimed at keeping the dupes in the zionist echo chamber brainwashed. Take off the blinders and face reality, the growth of BDS around the world should prove Hasbara is counter productive and people every where are waking up. Cheers
John Lappart ·
Works at Self-Employed
Hertzel Rahmani Nothing but worn out hasbara lies not worth addressing, your purpose is to keep the poorly educated parroting them in that echo chamber. You seem to relish a lot of potty mouth, Hertzel, which usually indicates disparation Cheers.
Jos Rey ·
Just read the Zionist commens and you will see their reptilian self come out for all to see!! Cold blooded creatures of Satan indeed!!
Kenneth Hammond
Israel long ago reneged on the Oslo Accords,It's now clear, the accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith, Go for it State of Palestine.
Hertzel Rahmani ·
"palestine" is a name given to the land 2000 years ago, the friqin arabs did not even exist back than whe the Romans were killing the jews and ravaging their land of Israel. But than an antisemite like you is nature deposit of trash flesh that will always stink to high hevin....
Hertzel Rahmani ·
You and your family should go to Israel and see for yourself how the arabs are living there, you friqin idiot, maybe you will learn something from the jews.
Alex Moskovits ·
Saeb Erekat is a weasel! After hearing his speeches and responses to support Palestinian activities at news outlets for the past 15+ years, he is a coniving creature constantly dodging direct questions and making all sorts of false alegations, particularly against Israel. He has been the Palestinian Arabs main negotiator with Israel during all of the past 5 or 6 attempts at negotiating a Peace Treaty. If he replaces Abbas as the next Palestinian President, it will bode ill for both countries, as demonstrated by his latest actions and manuevers of cancelling the Oslo accords.
Simon Green
Aren't there more important problems going on in the Arab world at the moment like the death & displacement of hundreds of thousands of Syrians?
The self-obsessed Abbas and palestinian leadership care about no-one except themselves. What a discusting Disgrace they are.
The self-obsessed Abbas and palestinian leadership care about no-one except themselves. What a discusting Disgrace they are.
Patrick Murphy ·
Works at U.S. Army
If you were under brutal occupation like the Palestinins you would be worried about yourself and your people. The only thing that is a
discusting disgrace is the terror and Apartheid state of Israel
discusting disgrace is the terror and Apartheid state of Israel
Simon Green
Murphy when are you going to stop your brutal occupation of Native American Indians? When are you going to get off their stolen land? Stop your discusting disgraceful colonialism. When are you going to go back to europe? where was it Ireland?
You got problems in your life, fine they can be sorted. Go sort them, get the help you need. No problem. However if you choose to not only to negatively interfere in the affairs of others, but that you also choose to ignorantly and/or malevolently distort truth and reality for the sake of that interference, you will demonstrate that you are self-obsessed and care about no-one except yourself.
Go back to europe. Go back to Ireland or wherever.
You got problems in your life, fine they can be sorted. Go sort them, get the help you need. No problem. However if you choose to not only to negatively interfere in the affairs of others, but that you also choose to ignorantly and/or malevolently distort truth and reality for the sake of that interference, you will demonstrate that you are self-obsessed and care about no-one except yourself.
Go back to europe. Go back to Ireland or wherever.
Valerie Jean
Simon Green -- Using the sins of the past to justify crimes of the present? Let's compare apples and apples -- treatment of native populations in the 20th century. At about the same time as Israel was founded, the territory of Alaska became a state. An act of Congress gave Alaskan natives 400 million acres, nearly $1 billion in cash, and complete control over the natural resources on their land.
Plus -- here is the big one -- all U.S. natives are CITIZENS. When we founded America we DID create a "peoplehood" of Americans and these are now some of our people. As opposed to Israel, where the courts ruled that there is no common peoplehood, no such thing as an "Israeli" per se, and that citizenship is based on religion, not place of birth. Big differences.
Plus -- here is the big one -- all U.S. natives are CITIZENS. When we founded America we DID create a "peoplehood" of Americans and these are now some of our people. As opposed to Israel, where the courts ruled that there is no common peoplehood, no such thing as an "Israeli" per se, and that citizenship is based on religion, not place of birth. Big differences.
Bob Barber
Patrick Murphy Oh, definitely, a "brutal occupation". That's why the people living in Ramallah are fleeing in droves to Germany, just like their Syrian cousins.
Michael Mann
Git voch. It may be under occupation but a state it ain't -- not before, not now, maybe never.
Patrick Murphy ·
Works at U.S. Army
Robbie Goldstein The Arabs were already in the middle East Jews came from Europe
Elvir Sajma Mujahodzic ·
Robbie , what rock have you been living under? I can't believe you would say that Israel is under occupation, do the American ppl a favor and jump off the Brooklyn bridge
Robbie Goldstein
Patrick Murphy, the Arabs are not indigenous to Israel. The archeology and linguistics prove that easily enough. The Jews have lived in Israel for over 4,000 years. The artifacts in the ground do not lie. Only ignorant Jew haters like yourself do.
Further, to educate your ignorant mind:
The Arabs know the land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
Here it is, along with their own evil, murderous intentions, in their own words, from their own lips:
..... and don't forget to watch this little video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-GBsGmE54
...... and this one:...See More
Further, to educate your ignorant mind:
The Arabs know the land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
Here it is, along with their own evil, murderous intentions, in their own words, from their own lips:
..... and don't forget to watch this little video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-GBsGmE54
...... and this one:...See More
Robbie Goldstein
Patrick Murphy, the Arabs are not indigenous to Israel. The archeology and linguistics prove that easily enough. The Jews have lived in Israel for over 4,000 years. The artifacts in the ground do not lie. Only ignorant Jew haters like yourself do.
Further, to educate your ignorant mind:
The Arabs know the land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
Here it is, along with their own evil, murderous intentions, in their own words, from their own lips:
..... and don't forget to watch this little video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-GBsGmE54
...... and this one:
http://youtu.be/3ViFr3oIM4M
PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein made this statement to the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, in March,1977. He said:
"The Palestinian people does not [sic.] exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism."
On September 13, 1993, the same day Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed the “Declaration of Principles” embodying those ideals for which he would later get the Nobel Prize, he explained his motives on Lebanese TV:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”
"Allah has promised Israel to the Jews" -- so says Sheikh Ahmad Adwan, a Muslim scholar living in Jordan, who declared on his Facebook page recently that "Palestine" doesn't exist.
Blogger Elder of Ziyon translated Arab news sources that this Saturday reported on Adwan's statements, in which he quotes the Koran saying Allah assigned Israel to the Jews until the Day of Judgement (Sura 5 Verse 21), and that Jews are the inheritors of Israel (Sura 26 Verse 59).
"I say to those who distort...the Koran: from where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when Allah has already named it 'The Holy Land' and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment," argued Adwan. "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in the Koran."
"Your demand for the Land of Israel is a falsehood and it constitutes an attack on the Koran, on the Jews and their land. Therefore you won’t succeed, and Allah will fail you and humiliate you, because Allah is the one who will protect them (i.e. the Jews)," warns Adwan.
The sheikh had more harsh words for the "Palestinians," calling them "the killers of children, the elderly and women" in using them as human shields in order to falsely accuse the Jews of targeting them. He reports having seen the same tactic used by "Palestinians" against the Jordanian army in the 1970s.
"This is their habit and custom, their viciousness, their having hearts of stones towards their children, and their lying to public opinion, in order to get its support," declared Adwan.
And finally, you Jew hating misfit, get a Bible and actually READ it. It is about my people, the JEWISH people, in the land G-D gave them: ISRAEL.
Further, to educate your ignorant mind:
The Arabs know the land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
Here it is, along with their own evil, murderous intentions, in their own words, from their own lips:
..... and don't forget to watch this little video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-GBsGmE54
...... and this one:
http://youtu.be/3ViFr3oIM4M
PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein made this statement to the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, in March,1977. He said:
"The Palestinian people does not [sic.] exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism."
On September 13, 1993, the same day Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed the “Declaration of Principles” embodying those ideals for which he would later get the Nobel Prize, he explained his motives on Lebanese TV:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”
"Allah has promised Israel to the Jews" -- so says Sheikh Ahmad Adwan, a Muslim scholar living in Jordan, who declared on his Facebook page recently that "Palestine" doesn't exist.
Blogger Elder of Ziyon translated Arab news sources that this Saturday reported on Adwan's statements, in which he quotes the Koran saying Allah assigned Israel to the Jews until the Day of Judgement (Sura 5 Verse 21), and that Jews are the inheritors of Israel (Sura 26 Verse 59).
"I say to those who distort...the Koran: from where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when Allah has already named it 'The Holy Land' and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment," argued Adwan. "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in the Koran."
"Your demand for the Land of Israel is a falsehood and it constitutes an attack on the Koran, on the Jews and their land. Therefore you won’t succeed, and Allah will fail you and humiliate you, because Allah is the one who will protect them (i.e. the Jews)," warns Adwan.
The sheikh had more harsh words for the "Palestinians," calling them "the killers of children, the elderly and women" in using them as human shields in order to falsely accuse the Jews of targeting them. He reports having seen the same tactic used by "Palestinians" against the Jordanian army in the 1970s.
"This is their habit and custom, their viciousness, their having hearts of stones towards their children, and their lying to public opinion, in order to get its support," declared Adwan.
And finally, you Jew hating misfit, get a Bible and actually READ it. It is about my people, the JEWISH people, in the land G-D gave them: ISRAEL.
Simon Green
Robbie Goldstein , Murphy is so false, so ignorant and so full of hate he continuously distorts truth and reality. He also conveniently ignores the fact that Native Americans were already in America when his lot came from europe.
Robbie Goldstein
Elvir Sajma Mujahodzic,
Yes. Israel is being occupied by Arabs. That I cannot ascend the Jewish Temple Mount and pray because Arabs forbid it, is occupation.
That I, or any other Jew, cannot visit I our ancestor's tombs in Judea without getting stoned in our cars by Arabs is Arab occupation.
That Jews cannot go into sections of the Cave of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs to pray at tomb of our own ancestors because Arabs forbid it. Is Arab occupation.
That the Arabs continually try to destroy Yossef's tomb to prevent Jews from Davening there is occupation.
To declare the Hebrew Matriarch, Rachel's tomb, a mosque is Arab occupation.
That in the 1929 Hebron Massacre when the Jordanian troops and Arabs ethnically cleansed Jews out of what is now referred to as "East Jerusalem" is Arab occupation.
To steal the land that your own Koran states belongs to the Jews, until the Day of Judgement, is Arab occupation. Yes, the Arabs occupy Israel.
Yes. Israel is being occupied by Arabs. That I cannot ascend the Jewish Temple Mount and pray because Arabs forbid it, is occupation.
That I, or any other Jew, cannot visit I our ancestor's tombs in Judea without getting stoned in our cars by Arabs is Arab occupation.
That Jews cannot go into sections of the Cave of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs to pray at tomb of our own ancestors because Arabs forbid it. Is Arab occupation.
That the Arabs continually try to destroy Yossef's tomb to prevent Jews from Davening there is occupation.
To declare the Hebrew Matriarch, Rachel's tomb, a mosque is Arab occupation.
That in the 1929 Hebron Massacre when the Jordanian troops and Arabs ethnically cleansed Jews out of what is now referred to as "East Jerusalem" is Arab occupation.
To steal the land that your own Koran states belongs to the Jews, until the Day of Judgement, is Arab occupation. Yes, the Arabs occupy Israel.
David Goshen ·
Abu Mazem has not kept most of the terms of the Oslo Agreements so by cancelling them he is just covering for his failure to fulfil his agreements !!Perhaps we should
publish in detail in the world media the terms not followed by Abu Mazem
publish in detail in the world media the terms not followed by Abu Mazem
Cody Flecker ·
This is really great news. Once this act is accomplished, Israel can seal up the borders to this Mythical State. No more free electricity, no more free healthcare, no more free food and foodstuffs, no more free welfare, and most important, no more free employment. The Mythical State of Palestine will wither away, which is really great news.
Louis Arpino ·
This is a brilliant move. Palestine, in the eyes of the world, will cease to be "the occupied territories" and become an "occupied State" and, as such, the State of Palestine will be protected by the Geneva Convention which is signed by 196 countries including Israel.
Many of Israel's occupation practices, such as relocating its own citizens onto occupied land, confiscation of land without compensation, imposition of different legal standards and system on the occupied state, incarceration of prisoners outside of their country, failure to protect the citizens, land and religious institutions of the occupied State, failure to provide medical care and education to the citizens of the occupied State are all clearly illegal under the Geneva Convention.
Most significantly, violation of any of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime.
Many of Israel's occupation practices, such as relocating its own citizens onto occupied land, confiscation of land without compensation, imposition of different legal standards and system on the occupied state, incarceration of prisoners outside of their country, failure to protect the citizens, land and religious institutions of the occupied State, failure to provide medical care and education to the citizens of the occupied State are all clearly illegal under the Geneva Convention.
Most significantly, violation of any of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime.
Barry Isaacs
Dream on. The only consequence of carrying out this bluff would be that Israel would be responsible for security throughout Judea and Samaria. Oslo proved to have been a terrible joke on Israel. Scrapping it would be an improvement over the present situation.
Nadeem Ansari ·
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Matthew Shostak ·
A couple of small problems. Firstly this would be throwing away the only tangible move towards peace that the Palestinians have made in the last 75 years. Secondly scrapping security cooperation would effectively plunge the PA controlled areas in to anarchy. Thirdly, if you bothered to read the rest of the Geneva conventions a state can only be declared on land that it controlls. To recognise the Palestinian state as existing in anything other than area a, would itself be a war crime. And Fourthly, if you actually wanted to prosecute people for war-crimes than Abbas would be the first one in the dock.
Michael Davison ·
Louis Arpino:
On the contrary, this would be a very stupid move by the PLO. The first thing it would do is send them back into exile in Tunis, while removing the commitment to make the PLO "the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people".
Can you imagine what would happen if elections were held without PLO or Hamas candidates?
Second, recognition of "Plestine" as an "occupied state" will not only protect them under the Geneva Conventions, it will also require them to act in accordance with the same conventions. That means that every suicide bomber, every shooting attack, every rocket fired at Israeli civilians becomes a war crime.
Third, it would end the gravy train that the PLO heads have been stealing from for the past 22 years.
I can't see them believing that such a move would benefit them more than it would hurt them... but they DO have a history of shooting themselves in the foot, don't they?
On the contrary, this would be a very stupid move by the PLO. The first thing it would do is send them back into exile in Tunis, while removing the commitment to make the PLO "the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people".
Can you imagine what would happen if elections were held without PLO or Hamas candidates?
Second, recognition of "Plestine" as an "occupied state" will not only protect them under the Geneva Conventions, it will also require them to act in accordance with the same conventions. That means that every suicide bomber, every shooting attack, every rocket fired at Israeli civilians becomes a war crime.
Third, it would end the gravy train that the PLO heads have been stealing from for the past 22 years.
I can't see them believing that such a move would benefit them more than it would hurt them... but they DO have a history of shooting themselves in the foot, don't they?
Michael Mann
A state exists when a government exercises jurisdiction over defined territory. I see no state.
Israel does already observe provisions of the Geneva Convention and limits rights in a manner consistent with the Convention's exceptions: Protection of Civilian Populations, Pt. III, S. III, Articles 64 - 78. No problem there.
Oslo was a bad strategy since the Arabs are not interested in the opportunity of a state and have done nothing to advance the possibility. The experience was at least instructive in revealing the Palestinians' true motivation but Oslo has been a handicap for Israel.
Time to make policy around de-militarized, semi-autonomous "emirates" in A, B and Gaza within a Jewish state from the river to the sea.
Israel does already observe provisions of the Geneva Convention and limits rights in a manner consistent with the Convention's exceptions: Protection of Civilian Populations, Pt. III, S. III, Articles 64 - 78. No problem there.
Oslo was a bad strategy since the Arabs are not interested in the opportunity of a state and have done nothing to advance the possibility. The experience was at least instructive in revealing the Palestinians' true motivation but Oslo has been a handicap for Israel.
Time to make policy around de-militarized, semi-autonomous "emirates" in A, B and Gaza within a Jewish state from the river to the sea.
Louis Arpino ·
Michael Davison According to the UN, Palestine is a State and Abbas is its President. The PLO is a nationalist movement, like Zionism, and Abbas stepping down from its chairmanship does not diminish his role as President.
You can bet on the fact that these announcements by Abbas at the UN will have been done in consultation with the US and EU and that this strategy is taking Palestine/Israel negotiations in a whole new direction.
This whole matter looks like it is going to be resolved in the ICC.
You can bet on the fact that these announcements by Abbas at the UN will have been done in consultation with the US and EU and that this strategy is taking Palestine/Israel negotiations in a whole new direction.
This whole matter looks like it is going to be resolved in the ICC.
Robbie Goldstein
Keep dreaming. nothing but more hot air will come from this.
The Arab occupiers of Israel cannot have what Israel will NEVER give them.
You Jew haters can boycott, take actions and sanctions all you want. It will never force Israel to destroy herself.
Further, should anyone get any stupid ideas, the entire region, let alone other parts of the world, will never survive it. And everyone knows it.
The Arab occupiers of Israel cannot have what Israel will NEVER give them.
You Jew haters can boycott, take actions and sanctions all you want. It will never force Israel to destroy herself.
Further, should anyone get any stupid ideas, the entire region, let alone other parts of the world, will never survive it. And everyone knows it.
Louis Arpino ·
Robbie Goldstein Ah, another message from the twilight zone. Robbie, thank you for reminding us of Israel's "Samson Option"; just another reason for the world to not trust the judgement of Israel's leaders.
Just remember that America can protect Israel from everything, but themselves.
Just remember that America can protect Israel from everything, but themselves.
Steven Schock
Michael Davison , are you suggesting that the Palestinians would actualy have to perform their side of the contract? Isn't that unreasonable? lol.
Steven Schock
Blue Beyond Oslo seemed to morph into Solana's/Bush's introduction of the Road Map in 2003, then that became the "Saudi Peace Plan", and now it appears that elements of the entire kit and kabodle are nearing end game. I honestly see the Daniel 9: 26, 27 covenant (7 years) that the anti-christ confirms as the final denouement of these various "peace plans." Recall that the anti-christ, by "peace" destroys many. The setup seems to be coming to rapid consummation.
Simon Green
Louis, when are you going to get off Occupied Native American Indian land?
Or are you only interested in "war crimes" and the Geneva Convention when you can demonstrate your Jew-hatred?
You are a Hypocritical, arrogant, colonialist.
Or are you only interested in "war crimes" and the Geneva Convention when you can demonstrate your Jew-hatred?
You are a Hypocritical, arrogant, colonialist.
Louis Arpino ·
Simon Green Actually, this is precisely my concern. I do not wish to see Israel do to the Palestinian people what the Europeans did to the Native Americans. There is still time to stop the genocide that Israel is perpetuating.
And, for the record, one's criticism of Israel's leadership makes them no more a "Jew hater" than the criticism of US leadership makes one an "America hater", unless you criticise Obama, then you are probably a racist.
And, for the record, one's criticism of Israel's leadership makes them no more a "Jew hater" than the criticism of US leadership makes one an "America hater", unless you criticise Obama, then you are probably a racist.
Bruce Edwards
Louis Arpino, You're one funny guy. So, if one criticises obama they're probably a racist.....LMFAO......Intelligence level zero, comedic level 10.... Bravo.
Marvin Steiner ·
Barry Isaacs Israel is not a signatory to Protocol's 2 and 3 of 4 Geneva nor Protocol 1 Article 90.
Walk Tall Hang Loose
Blue Beyond: you say "a state exists when a government exercises jurisdiction over defined territory". It is not that simple. The Montivideo Convention says that states SHOULD (not MUST) have government, defined territory, and a capacity to enter into relations with other states. The decision of a state to recognize another state is a sovereign decision of that state. 134 other states have recognized the State of Palestine, so as far as they are concerned Palestine certainly exists as a state. It also exists as far as the UN is concerned. It has defined its borders. It has a provisional government, which has jurisdiction over its major population centres, in Area A. The only reason it does not have jurisdiction over all its territory is that it is under military occupation by Israel.
Michael Davison ·
Louis Arpino
Other than the fact that the UN cannot create a state, but can only recognize a state if it meets certain conditions. The Palestinian Authority does not meet those conditions, so one has to view the UN recognition as a political move rather than an actual recognition of meeting the requirements of being a state..
The ICC also does not have either the authority to adjudicate or the jurisdiction to decide such an issue.
Other than the fact that the UN cannot create a state, but can only recognize a state if it meets certain conditions. The Palestinian Authority does not meet those conditions, so one has to view the UN recognition as a political move rather than an actual recognition of meeting the requirements of being a state..
The ICC also does not have either the authority to adjudicate or the jurisdiction to decide such an issue.
Michael Davison ·
Steven Schock
"Michael Davison , are you suggesting that the Palestinians would actualy have to perform their side of the contract?"
Nope. I'm telling the Palestinian Authority that it's time for them to decide whether to $hiT or get off the pot. Either they can sit down and negotiate as if they mean it, or they can go back to Tunis.
Their choice.
"Michael Davison , are you suggesting that the Palestinians would actualy have to perform their side of the contract?"
Nope. I'm telling the Palestinian Authority that it's time for them to decide whether to $hiT or get off the pot. Either they can sit down and negotiate as if they mean it, or they can go back to Tunis.
Their choice.
Bob Barber
No problem, and to a large extent it reflect the existing reality, since the PLO never adhered to Oslo in full anyway. Israel will then be free to disregard Oslo as well. Among other thigs, Israel will have a freer hand to cut off electricity to the PA until its outstanding bill has been paid.
Michael Mann
Michael Farmer Settlements were never precluded by Oslo and became an issue only when Obama made them an issue. They are not illegal and there is no adjudication by competent legal authority to that effect.
Allegations against Sharon were dropped by the ICC -- to your chagrin, I'm sure.
Allegations against Sharon were dropped by the ICC -- to your chagrin, I'm sure.
Steven Schock
Blue Beyond But let's not forget Sharon actually dismantling Gush Kati in late August of 2005 under huge pressure from G.W. Bush, or rather bulldozing to make way for a prosperous Gaza. If Sharon was to be tried for war crimes it would be against his own people, not the palestinians.
Walk Tall Hang Loose
Blue Beyond: surely you know that the International Court of Justice is the highest legal authority there is in international law, and it has judged the settlement program illegal. The Security Council has also 'determined' that it is illegal. It is also clearly illegal to anyone of any intelligence who reads the Fourth Geneva Convention. It is also clearly unjust, to anyone with any moral sense, for a state to settle its own citizens by force of arms in a territory outside its own recognized borders against the wishes of the existing inhabitants of that territory.
Louis Arpino ·
Real Politik,while they are at it they might as well recind their Declaration of Establishment of the State of Israel, declaring itself a theocracy and renaming itself "Judea and Samaria", and live happily everafter in the ghetto it created for itself.
Michael Mann
Louis Arpino A "ghetto" with international trade relations creating 3 percent annual GDP growth right through the recession. Happily ever after? Pretty much.
Steven Schock
Michael Farmer , give this a try: "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shalll mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one is in bitterness for his firstborn." Zechariah 12: 9, 10.
Walk Tall Hang Loose
Steven Schock: "in that day". 'That day' is not 2015. 'That day' is the end of time, when Messiah comes. According to science, that will be several trillion years into the future.
Meeting with Mahmoud Abbas aka Abu Mazen is a mistake. You are legitimizing a terrorist murderer and a convicted killer as a leader.
ReplyDeleteMeeting with Mahmoud Abbas aka Abu Mazen is a mistake. You are legitimizing a terrorist murderer as a leader.
Deluding yourself after years of Arab deception of peace is another mistake.
The Arabs have a state and that is Jordan which has taken about 80% of Jewish allocated land under international law and treaties of post WWI. The Arabs also have the over 75,000 square miles of land the Arab countries confiscated from the million expelled Jewish families which is 6 times the size of Israel.
It is time to take another approach. Peace talks, not until the Arabs can prove they can control their population and live with the Jews in peaceful coexistence for at least 5 years and eliminate the education of its people to commit terror and violence and replace it with education and practice of living in harmony and coexistence. Nothing less will be accepted. It is not negotiable.
Temple Mount in Jerusalem is Jewish territory and has been since prior to the building of the two Jewish temples (as a matter of fact King David of Israel had paid the Jebusites money to purchase that property, to avoid conflict). Israel after liberating it in 1967 graciously permitted the Arabs to continue to pray there. Now the time has come to terminate that arrangement. It is the Arabs who are defiling The Jewish holy of holies.
After years of abuse of this privilege, by committing violence and violently interfering with Jewish worshipers on a consistent basis, Israel has the right, duty and obligation to revoke that privilege.
Let us take back our sacred ground, once and for all.
I am sure the Arab-Muslim would not permit anyone in the world to build and control the holy Muslim Site in Mecca.
Let the Arab-Muslim have Mecca and the Judeo-Christian have Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
My mother in law was sent to the gas chamber in Auschwitz 3 times and somehow she crawled out and survived while loosing most of her family in the Nazi extermination camps. I proudly say and practice, NEVER AGAIN. Enough is enough. Ghetto mentality of capitulation is over.
I will not and can not cower to Arab terrorism, violence, intimidation, threats, etc and I am sure no self respecting Israeli is willing to cower to terrorism and violence.
To prevent such a scenario, Israel must go on an unrelenting offensive to claim and take what belongs to Israel and its people. World opinion; be damned.
The time for negotiation and compromise is over.
YJ Draiman